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The following metal are used for coating to the mirror
The commonly known process of depositing vapor-thin layers of metallic coatings, such as aluminum or silver, on glass and other kinds of substrates to make mirror reflective surfaces is known as silvering.
The actual metal coating used determines the reflectance characteristics of the mirror's surface. Aluminum (Al) is the cheapest metallic coating and it is the most commonly used metal coating, especially when it comes to telescope mirrors. For example, the aluminum coating thickness for a mirror with a 15-in. radius would have an average coating thickness of 1.53 waves.
Aluminum has a reflective yield of around 88-92% over the entire range of the visible spectrum. Silver (Ag) as a precious metal is more expensive and has a nominal reflectance value that can range from 95 to 99% and even extend far into the infrared regions of the visible spectrum, but there is a noticeable large drop in its reflective ability (<90%) in the blue and ultraviolet parts of the spectrum.
The more (most) expensive of the precious metals is gold (Au) which has the highest (98-99%) reflectance range throughout the infrared spectrum. It's reflectivity is somewhat limited at spectral wavelengths that are lower than 550 nm, and the typical gold color is the result that one would see in a gold metallic coated mirror.
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Best Stainless Steel for Mirror like Surface.
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13 Sep 10 13:04What stainless steel is best for mirror like finish/polish?
I am considering 321 316 or 321. Are they all about the same.. is does one polish better than the other?
FYI: this is to reduce the emissivity/radiation HT of the surface.
Thanks.
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13 Sep 10 13:41The hardest alloys will polish best. Hard-drawn 301 or 302 sheet, or 440...
Alloys with more chrome will hold that polish longer (not oxidize as rapidly). 309, 310...
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13 Sep 10 13:49so in comparison between 321 and 304... 321 is harder so it will polish better? and both have about the same amount of chrome so they will both hold the polish the same way.. correct ? ... is it correct to say 321 will polish better then 304
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13 Sep 10 14:22No, 321 is not harder than 304.
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13 Sep 10 14:31Polishing will have more effect on the type of reflection (specular versus scattering) that on the absorbtivity of the surface.
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13 Sep 10 16:07I just measured a group of stainless steels for reflectivity and emittance for this purpose. Austenitics are distinctly better than ferritics. Just choose one based on the environment it will face. 304 is good except near sea spray. In that case use 316.Don't spend too much on a pretty finish. That only affects the specularity of the reflection, not the percentage of light reflected.304 bright anneal will be very hard to improve upon. This can be purchased from service center stock. Anything more will be diminishing returns.
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13 Sep 10 16:11Hard-drawn or hard-rolled products are harder (have higher y.s.) than others. They will deform less, and tend to embed less abrasives during the act of polishing. 302 and 301 are more typically supplied in sheet with 1/4-hard or higher ratings.
CPro, there are published values for s.s. in most heat transfer textbooks that are much lower for "polished" than "mill" finish. Yes, specularity plays a role in lowering emissivity, but I think the ability to clean, and keep clean (i.e. free of heavy oxidation) is also part of it. It's easier to see the dullness of oxidation build-up on a previously polished surface.
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13 Sep 10 16:22I am begining an experiment to see if nickel plated chromolly has lower emissivity than polished ss 321. Based on my application; I hope to find out that they are the same or nickel plated chromolly is better.
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13 Sep 10 16:24I am begining an experiment to see if nickel plated chromolly has lower emissivity than polished ss 321. Based on my application; I hope to find out that they are the same or nickel plated chromolly has lower emmissivity.
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13 Sep 10 18:19Be careful of data generated with reflectometers which use only selected wavelengths. Stainless has poor reflectivity for blue light which is specified in ASTM 1549. This procedure gives falsely low values for stainless.
Michael McGuire
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13 Sep 10 18:27mcquire
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13 Sep 10 18:53ive been using the data sheet from omega- http://www.omega.com/temperature/z/pdf/z088-089.pdf no worries, im going to calculate the emissivity based on wall temperature.
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13 Sep 10 18:53321 will contain many TiC inclusions by design. If you can't stand many tiny surface flaws then stick with 316.A cold rolled sheet to high hardness will help.The final surface will need to be electropolished to remove any smeared material.
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14 Sep 10 18:01In answer to unclesyd, the emissivity will jump to that of the oxide, or about 0.85. The reflectance will be 1 minus 0.85, or 0.15.Mirror-like stainless have emissivity of 0.05 to 0.10 with reflectivity of 0.90 to 0.95.
Michael McGuire
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14 Sep 10 18:28mcquire
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15 Sep 10 21:34Now, who could that be?
Michael McGuire
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(Aerospace)
16 Sep 10 01:48So, how about chrome plating?
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16 Sep 10 16:31Chromium is odd for a metal. It has high emissivity, 0.64, and therefore absorbs much of the solar energy instead of reflecting it.
Michael McGuire
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16 Sep 10 20:24OK, how about electroless nickel, then?
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17 Sep 10 09:21I retract my statement on chromium, having found tables listing its emissivity at less than 0.10 in the polished condition. The same for nickel. The key is that polished, un-oxidized metals, in general, are highly reflective and have very low emissivity. The issue is how low they stay un-oxidized.
Michael McGuire
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17 Sep 10 11:34Thought I said that? ;)
We used to gold plate a lot of heat shielding for s/c use, the issue was not oxidation build up in the vacuum environment of space, but the oxidation of the surface during the months leading up to launch. Radiant heating being the only heat transfer method available, surface finishes become critical to maintaining temperature environments for spacecraft. Gold being very noble, the oxide issue is avoided. Similarly, at higher temperatures (where gold may diffuse into substrates) rhodium or other platinum group "noble" metals were sometimes used.
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